Tom Verrilli

“We articulate it that way to force ourselves to remember that you don't hire a PM just for the sake of hiring one, you hire one where there's really specific need. It is better to not assume we need a PM in every place.”

“We often hear people at eng-oriented products talk like this, like developer tools where we don't need PMs. It's really interesting to hear from your perspective because you've built very consumery products.”

“Marty Cagan calls it product theater. A lot of people just do the things that PM should be doing.”