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Guest: Michel Del Buono, CIO of A16Z Perennial Host: Molly O'Shea

1. Key Themes

The Structural Gap Between Wealth Management and Institutional Investing

The core argument of the entire episode is that there is a fundamental no-man's land for taxable individuals with institutional-scale wealth. Traditional RIAs are staffed by service providers, not investment professionals. Traditional asset managers optimize for pre-tax returns because their clients (pensions, endowments) are non-taxable. Neither channel serves a high-net-worth individual who needs both institutional sophistication and tax optimization.

"There's this weird no man's land where you have taxable individuals that have and deserve an institutional quality portfolio build and asset allocation. And yet neither of the two standard channels really deliver that." — Michel Del Buono 00:08:17

Fee Structures as the Root Cause of Portfolio Mediocrity

The flat AUM fee model creates a structural incentive for wealth managers to build simple, low-effort portfolios rather than investing in the professional talent needed to construct sophisticated alternatives-heavy portfolios. This isn't laziness — it's rational behavior given the incentive structure.

"If I'm paid the same to do something easy or something difficult, I think human nature is such that you'll do the easy thing. You look at the portfolios that come to us — very simple, not very sophisticated, very focused on just standard market beta stocks and bonds. Not a lot of focus on alternatives. And the reason being is for you to build an alternative offering, you're going to have to go hire professional investors and professional investors are paid well." — Michel Del Buono 00:06:06

"If you make the same 40, 50, 60 bips doing that or just buying stocks and bonds, you're going to buy stocks and bonds." — Michel Del Buono 00:07:25

Tax Alpha as the Most Underutilized Investment Edge

Michel argues that tax optimization — not manager selection or asset allocation — is the most accessible and impactful form of alpha for high-net-worth individuals. Yet the institutional asset management world is structurally unable to optimize for it because the majority of their clients are tax-exempt.

"If you're an individual, you're paying, especially in this state, you're paying 50 plus percent tax. So the easiest alpha — to use an investment term — to get is a tax alpha. And they are not — these institutional asset managers — because most of their clients are non-taxable, they're not even attempting to optimize after-tax return. In fact, you could even argue that from a fiduciary perspective, they're not allowed to optimize after-tax return." — Michel Del Buono 00:07:52

2. Contrarian Perspectives

The Single Family Office Is Usually a Bad Idea

Despite the cultural status of having a "family office," Michel argues that for most founders it's an expensive, operationally complex trap. The principal unknowingly signs up to be the manager of an asset management company, something they don't want to do and aren't equipped to do. Statistically, these offices also tend to collapse at generational transitions.

"The principal of the family is signing up really to be a manager of an asset management company. That's really what they're signing up for. I don't think many of them actually realize that's what they're signing up for. And I don't think they want to do that." — Michel Del Buono 00:17:00

"When the patriarch or matriarch passes away, very often the family office falls apart. Either the investments are completely turned around and things are liquidated in a hurry that results in large losses — by the way, we're the beneficiaries of that sometimes, we buy those things — or the kids or the heirs take their money and go their own way." — Michel Del Buono 00:17:30

Volatility Is an Asset, Not a Risk to Be Feared

Most wealth managers and clients treat volatility as the enemy. Michel's contrarian view is that for clients with large, liquid balance sheets, volatility is the single greatest wealth-building opportunity — the equivalent of a "blue light sale" on assets.

"Volatility is not the enemy. A lot of people fret. But if you have a deep balance sheet and you've kept your portfolio at least somewhat liquid, volatility is a huge opportunity. It's like a fat pitch. You get assets that go on sale. Stock markets every four or five years there's like a 40% drawdown. Blue light sale. You should have flexibility in your portfolio to take advantage of the blue light sale." — Michel Del Buono 00:32:00

Moving States to Avoid Taxes Is Often Not Worth It — But The Process Is Much Harder Than People Think

While the conventional wisdom from financial advisors is often "move to Florida or Texas," Michel pushes back with nuance. Partial moves don't work — California tax authorities require severing all ties — and the emotional cost of uprooting often exceeds the financial benefit. He also notes a "boomerang" effect of people returning.

"If you do come back after a couple of years, the tax authorities here will say, 'Look, you never sold your house. You never had the intent of leaving the state. So you owe us tax.' So you really have to sever ties." — Michel Del Buono 00:36:38

"There's been a bit of a boomerang. Some people have moved and then come back because they, in their minds, they thought that saving several percentage points of tax was worth the move. And then when they move, for personal reasons, they're like, 'Look, I saved money, but the savings weren't worth the cost to me personally.'" — Michel Del Buono 00:39:15

Founders' Biggest Wealth Mistake Is Going Back Into Venture Immediately After Liquidity

Counterintuitively, the very experience that made founders successful — deep familiarity with startups — is what causes them to make their biggest financial mistake post-liquidity. Their survivorship bias makes them overestimate the odds of repeat success for their friends' companies.

"They'll see someone with their very first liquidity. They take it. And instead of doing something a little bit safe in case there's a rainy day, they turn around and put it in a bunch of very early stage startups, often referred to by their friends. If you're going to do venture, at least try to do it in a systematic way. Do not take 80% of what you just got and hand it to your three friends. Almost always this ends in tears." — Michel Del Buono 00:51:55

3. Companies Identified

A16Z Perennial The multi-family office arm of Andreessen Horowitz, approximately four years old, serving Marc Andreessen, Ben Horowitz, and a select group of founders (primarily but not exclusively a16z-backed). Currently serves "a couple dozen families." Minimum entry approximately $25–50M, but primarily targeting centi-millionaires and billionaires.

"This firm has entity value. There's a lot of people who own this firm. It's building a comprehensive set of products and services across different asset class sub-asset classes. And it also has expertise around fundraising, HR systems, go to market. And so the whole thing is highly valuable." — Michel Del Buono 00:48:27

Andreessen Horowitz (a16z) Mentioned specifically as a model for building institutional "entity value" in venture — a firm that outlasts any single individual and commands a structural advantage through its network, community, and multi-product approach.

"What's really interesting about a16z personally for me, and one of the things that attracted me here — this firm has entity value. It doesn't just revolve around 10 or 15 people with one person." — Michel Del Buono 00:48:27

FRED (Federal Reserve Economic Database) Cited as a free, primary-source research tool used by Michel in his personal research diet as part of his "source materials" approach to market analysis.

"I like to read FRED, the Federal Reserve Economic Database that you can get free. I like to read quarterly reports from companies, transcripts of the analyst calls and those kinds of things." — Michel Del Buono 00:58:12

4. People Identified

Michel Del Buono CIO of A16Z Perennial. Career background includes large management consulting, hedge fund experience (referenced managing leverage and treasuries during the Global Financial Crisis), and now overseeing investment strategy and portfolio construction for ultra-high-net-worth families. Former academic at Stanford. Defined "professional investor" as someone who has at some point been paid purely on performance.

"A professional investor is a very specific definition in my mind. It's someone who at some point in their career was paid purely based on the performance of their investments. Your investments were up 20% this year. Here's your money." — Michel Del Buono 00:14:07

Sean McGuire (of Sequoia) Mentioned in the context of SpaceX as someone Molly had spoken with about the anticipated IPO. Sequoia has reportedly invested billions into SpaceX and Elon Musk companies.

"I talked to Sean McGuire of Sequoia, who they've invested billions into SpaceX and Elon companies." — Molly O'Shea 00:23:59

5. Operating Insights

Hire for Strengths, Not Absence of Weaknesses

Marc Andreessen and Ben Horowitz's stated management philosophy — explicitly articulated and adopted at A16Z — is to hire for exceptional skills rather than trying to find people with the fewest flaws. The traditional performance review system of cataloguing and fixing weaknesses is demoralizing and misses the point of what drives organizational excellence.

"They said, 'We don't hire people for lack of flaws. We hire people for their skills.' Here, if you are great at something, let's celebrate that. We're all people, so there'll be things we might not like with that, but that's fine. We'll learn to live with that. As a result, every function I meet, people are really excellent at their function. The amount of talent in this firm is mind blowing." — Michel Del Buono 00:50:15

Build an In-House Investment Team to Avoid the Fund-of-Funds Fee Trap

For any organization deploying capital into alternatives, failing to hire professional investors in-house forces a fund-of-funds model with double fee layers. On a 50–70% alternatives allocation, look-through fees can reach 3–4% annually — a massive structural drag. Internalizing even a portion of that management eliminates hundreds of basis points of unnecessary cost.

"If you don't build a professional investment team, you by default have to invest in other people's investment firms. It becomes a pure fund-of-funds approach. And so there's a dual layer of fees. On a look-through basis, your fees are going to be 3% or 4% a year. So it's a huge headwind. If you can get rid of some of that by having a professional team in-house, maybe you cut that in half. It's a couple hundred base points of alpha right there." — Michel Del Buono 00:13:42

Maintain a Liquidity Buffer — Not for Return, But for Optionality

Treasuries and highly liquid bonds should be held not for their yield but as a strategic reserve to deploy rapidly into dislocated assets during crises. The optionality value of this liquidity buffer far exceeds its yield drag.

"During the global financial crisis, the only thing we could sell was treasuries to raise money. Nothing else was trading. So having a treasury kind of liquidity buffer is super important. You can go sell those treasuries even when there's a horrible war. Someone will pay you cash for that. In fact, they might pay you more than they would have before because bonds is a safe haven asset. You take that cash, you go buy the distressed asset." — Michel Del Buono 00:34:41

6. Overlooked Insights

The Race to Capture First Liquidity Is the Entire Business Model of Wealth Management

Michel briefly mentioned this in passing, but it is a profound structural insight about how wealth management actually works as a competitive industry. The real competitive moat is not investment performance or service quality — it's speed of access at the moment of first liquidity. Once a client is onboarded, switching costs (institutional knowledge of accounts, wiring instructions, trusts, accountants, and deliberately disabled self-service features) make churn nearly impossible.

"This is why there's such a race to be the first firm that someone recently had liquidity. This is where the fight is. It's like, 'I heard you had a liquidity, you're about to have a liquidity event — me, me, me, pick me.' Because once you've picked the person, the odds of them moving again are extremely low. So that's where all the competition happens." — Michel Del Buono 00:27:36

The investment implication: any firm or platform that can systematically position itself upstream of liquidity events — through VC relationships, cap table visibility, secondary market intelligence, or employer partnerships — holds a winner-take-most structural advantage. A16Z Perennial's integration with the a16z venture platform is precisely this flywheel, giving them access to founders before they are liquid. This is the actual moat, not investment returns.

Real Estate Is Structurally the Most Tax-Advantaged Asset Class for Taxable Individuals — and Most People Manage It Wrong

Michel mentioned in passing that real estate is exceptional for taxable investors — but only when held long-term. Most real estate is managed in a way that triggers frequent sales and tax events, destroying the advantage. The insight buried here is that the structural advantage of real estate (depreciation credits, uncorrelated returns, favorable tax treatment baked into the banking and legal system since the 1920s–1940s) is almost entirely negated by the way most investors actually hold it.

"A lot of wealth in this country made their fortunes with real estate. The entire banking system and taxation system was built around real assets. The tax code is very beneficial to real assets. You can get a solid teens return on a tax-adjusted basis out of real assets. A lot of real estate, unfortunately, is managed in a way where the buildings are sold a lot and that generates tax. But if you hold the buildings for a long time, you can use the depreciation credits and never pay tax on the income you're getting." — Michel Del Buono 00:33:18 and 00:38:03

The non-obvious implication: for founders post-liquidity, a long-hold real estate strategy with a fund structure that internalizes depreciation losses to offset income is arguably the highest after-tax return per unit of risk available — superior even to venture capital on a net basis for most founders — yet almost no one structures it this way.